Previous Posts through August 4, 2005:
Setting up this Circle Date: 14 Jun 2005 Name Corey Fischer (China's husband and your friendly webmaven) Message I've been having a wonderful time creating this virtual space for you to share your writings, thoughts, dreams.... This is my way of supporting my beloved wife's work which I feel is tremendously important for all of us, men and women, in these times. Enjoy!
Starting a Circle in the North Bay Date: 19 Jun 2005 Name Marylou Message My only regret at the wonderful conference is that we did not have a chance to connect geographically. Is there anyone else in the North Bay who is interested in starting a circle?
Our Collective Vision & Journey Session Date: 20 Jun 2005 Time: 02:23:27 -0400 Name Ann McCoy and Comma Williams, Presenters Message We loved our session and everyone of you! Thanks for your patience as we adapted the space to our needs as we co-created our experience. Our original plan was to have some time to talk together about our experiences...so how about we do it now?!!! We invite you to share your experiences - we all benefit from the truth as it arises. In particular, we want to encourage you to share how you are moving this into your life. As to the future, who knows, if you want to do more work together let us know. Wishing you well, blessings on your path, with love, Comma, and Ann
Re: Deepest Heart Felt Gratitude Date: 21 Jun 2005 Time: 11:13:05 -0400 Name Reda Rackley Message Dearest Sisters and Brothers, I wish to thank all of you that put so much time, energy, love, commitment, blood, sweat, and tears into bringing the Sacred Feminine to for so many people to experience. It has been a very long time since I have felt that stirred and so deeply inspired to do even more to dancing Mama back into the homes and hearts of all humans. Thank you thank you thank you.
Re: Starting a Circle in the North Bay Date: 21 Jun 2005 Time: 11:13:20 -0400 Name Naomi Lombardi Plager Message Hi Black Madonna Sisters, I am putting together a Black Madonna circle in the East Bay. Currently I live in the Berkeley Hills. (I am moving August 1, not sure where but still in the Berkeley area-does anyone have a room for rent?). I have pilgrimed to the Black Madonna in the native land of my Mother and Italian Grandmother. It is truly a moving experience of the journey home to myself/ourselves. I am looking to organize a support/transformative group that includes dancing/drumming to elevate our spiritual energy. Please email or call, 510-524-5786. Warmly, Naomi
Searching for a way to contact Mary Beth Moser, Megan Watterson and Danielle Drake-Burnette Date: 21 Jun 2005 Time: 18:33:49 -0400 Name Barbara Getost (Conference attendee) Message I attended each of your precious presentations last w/e @ the Black Madonna Conf. I have specific questions and feedback for ea. of you, individually ...... but ALAS no way of contacting you. Please e-mail me at : barbara@pregnantearth.com (Be sure to put something about Black Madonna in the subject line or you many get routed into my spam folder!) IMPORTANT: If anyone else reads this and can help putting me in contact with any or all three of these marvellous ladies .... please feel free to do so. Thank-you, so, so very much ...... In Peace, Barbara
A Circle Date: 22 Jun 2005 Time: 01:27:07 -0400 Name Terry Message I live in the South Bay and attended the Saturday Conference. More dialogue would be a good start.
Re: A Circle Date: 22 Jun 2005 Time: 10:05:32 -0400 Name China Message I'm delighted that people are beginning to use this new feature of our website! Circles are forming in the East Bay and the North Bay as well. Plus, another circle formed in Sandy Butler's workshop on Saturday, "Praying With Our Feet" before participants even left the room. Blessings to all and a big bow of gratitude China
Re: contact information for Mary Beth Moser : Date: 22 Jun 2005 Time: 14:52:22 -0400 Name Mary Beth Moser Message Dear Barbara, THANK YOU for your kind words! And for your presence at the event, and at my presentation on the Black Madonna of Oropa, Italy! I realized I was remiss in having my contact information available. . . Here it is: Mary Beth Moser, blackmadonna@comcast.net, P.O. Box 1953, Vashon Island, WA 98070; http://blackmadonna.home.comcast.net/ To order a copy of Honoring Darkness: Exploring the Power of Black Madonnas in Italy, http://deamadrepublishing.home.comcast.net/
Re: Starting a Circle in the North Bay Date: 22 Jun 2005 Time: 23:58:17 -0400 Name jess Message Where in the North Bay? I am interested and live in Mill Valley.
Re: Starting a Circle in the North Bay Date: 23 Jun 2005 Time: 21:24:07 -0400 Name Marylou Message I live in Sebastopol. I can drive.
Black Madonna Conference Date: 26 Jun 2005 Time: 17:30:31 -0400 Name Carol Newhouse Message These are questions I have been thinking about and were raised and accentualted by the conference. I would welcome any input or discussion. Is the Dark Mother the shadow side of the White Goddess? OR is she a fully embodied version of our woman's experience,the sickness or disease AND the cure? If she is the whole thing, the truly divine Mother not just an aspect of her,then why is she called the dark mother? Is perhaps the Dark Mother a racial or cultural representation? ........ the Mother being called Dark because she is from a place that had dark skinned women worshiping her there? Like Guadalupe? or Isis? Is the Dark Mother the same Mother Goddess white women worship but with dark skin? Or is she really different spiritually?
The Dark Mother : Date: 29 Jun 2005 Time: 23:02:52 -0400 Name china Message Dear Carol Newhouse, You've raised an interesting set of questions. All I can say is that after years of study and research from a variety of perspectives, I'm concluded that for myself, the Divine is an enormous multi-faceted gem that each tradition or perspective reflects. Each facet catches light in a different way, revealing yet another aspect of the divine---all facets being the multiplicity of ways of looking into this great, precious jewel we call the Divine. Astrophysics has shown us that over 90% of what exists in the universe is beyond the range of the human eye. The luminous world, that which we can perceive, is less than 10% of what exists. Given this phenomena I sometimes say that darkness is invisible light. This is I'm sure more poetic than scientifically accurate, but it points to what I've concluded: darkness and light are part of a continuum, they fall at different places on the larger spectrum. They are not separate or in opposition to one another or positive or negative. From my perspective, they are simply different places on that continuum of what can and cannot be perceived by the human eye. Different cultures assign darkness and light different meanings. In pre-Indo-European culture, the root of the word for black meant "gleaming," again presenting us with the poetic image of lightness and darkness being contained in one another and not separate from each other. I hope this is useful. Best, China Galland
Re: Starting a Circle in the North Bay Date: 29 Jun 2005 Time: 23:14:20 -0400 Name China Message Hi Marylou....! The statue you gave me is SO exquisite, thank you again and again. I took it with me to the meeting of our conference planning group and placed it on the altar. No one else had seen such an unusual statue either, the way the silver is set on it. I will be taking it to the Buddhist group I sit with in hopes of finding out more about it. I suspect that the deity is Vajrasattva, one of the Buddhas one prays to especially for purification. It is a great gift and I am treasuring it! I'm thinking about the circles and would love to hear from you if you get one going.... I think that the "Jess" from Mill Valley, is actually one of the members of our conference planning committee. Naomi's in the East Bay... I would love to think of some intentionality to the groups---support for spiritual practice, especially geared to reconciliation....with one's self and others. Without that, you and I both know there can be no peace. Much more to be said on this. if you form one please keep me posted....if there's another conference, it could be the time and place circles come together for nourishment and inspiration.... Thank you so much for being in my class. It meant a lot to me. to be continued. all best and blessings, China
Re: Starting a Circle in the North Bay Date: 30 Jun 2005 Time: 22:44:50 -0400 Name Elaine in San Rafael Message I would be interested in a North Bay Circle
Re: Starting a Circle in the North Bay Date: 06 Jul 2005 Time: 12:53:48 -0400 Name Marylou Message I heard rumors that a circle in Petaluma might be forming and that would be fairly central for all of us. Does anyone know of this? Have any ideas? Where could we meet?
Re: Starting a Circle in the North Bay?East Bay Date: 13 Jul 2005 Time: 21:27:16 -0400 Name carol Carlisle Albany Message I live in Albany East Bay and am interested in a Circle.I was so full after the Conference it is very important to keep the energy flowing. Are there circles already started I may join. if not I can host one here. Blessings All, Carol Carlisle Call at (510)528-9310 or email carolisle@earthlink.net
dark Mother Date: 14 Jul 2005 Time: 10:57:40 -0400 Name Deborah Rose Message I want to jump in and respond to Carol's wonderful questions but first to say thanks to Mary Beth Mosher for leading me to this site and congratulations to China - and all the many many people who produced a conference that was clearly quite amazing and that unfortunately I did not attend! In my own experience Carol's questions are the "medicine" of the Black Madonna - that is, we tend to see her through the filter of white consciousness where white is normative and so we think oh she must be the shadow or just representing dark skinned people. Whatever our skin color, because white has been dominant, it is hard to reconcile darkness and femaleness with divinity. That is what is so provocative about the Black Madonna icons - they shatter our (mostly unconscious) illusions about the nature of reality. Certainly that is what happened for me in encountering the Black Madonna - and yes in white culture she does hold the shadow aspects - and ironically, as China and Lucia and others have pointed out, for us today, that often means resistance to oppression, equality, justice. She holds ths whole, all that has been marginilized, But also important to say like any good icon she means many things to many people. In France during the Middle Ages she was used by the ruling class and seen by the Revolutionaries as an embodiment of the status quo. Obviously we see in her something very different.
Re: Starting a Circle in the North Bay?East Bay Date: 26 Jul 2005 Time: 21:53:00 -0400 Name China Message Carol, thank you for writing and for offering to host a circle....! One group has started in the East Bay....though I think they've got their maximum number for the moment. Hmmm.... this is interesting. Okay, I'm going to do a group email anyway....are you on our list? You go to our website and on the home page, click on "join us" and that will sign you up for a free and occasional newsletter. I'm in the midst of getting one ready to go out, so I'm going to add your note from this posting so that if there are others there in the East Bay they can get in touch with you directly. This is exciting! Thank you for your enthusiasm and openness. By doing this, we're learning how to connect people and we're continuing to grow what I called for at the conference---"Circles of Love." I'm asking those in the Circles of Love to please observe a few guidelines, please build an altar to the divine feminine, preferably the dark divine feminine, whether that is the Black Madonna or the great Hopi Crow Mother... or the Earth herself. Please be respectful and accepting of what other people hold sacred (within reason)... even if it's different than what you might choose to revere. please have at least 10 minutes if not 20 minutes of silent reflection. please go around in the circle and let people speak without interruption for their turn. Discussion can come after everyone has shared, if it needs to. It's fine to time shares...some people do that, and ring a warning bell, for example if each person can share for 5 minutes....at 4 minutes, there's a warning bell so that people know that they need to wrap up. Please give time to sitting with the question...."with whom do I need to be reconciled?" and write in your own journal or paper you've brought to the group about that. This is for you. You can share it if you like or not. Remember always, you are in charge. Feeling safe in a small group is essential. Confidentiality is critical to group harmony and safety. My deep belief is that reconciliation is at the heart of the work that must be done now.... and I'll be saying more about this in the letter I'm sending out to the newsletter list, along with a brief conference report. A good and reliable guide for circle work is Christina Baldwin's "Calling the Circle, the First and Future Culture" book and the pamplet that's been produced from her book about guidelines for circles, called PeerSpirit...for the booklet, which costs about $7, you can write to Peer Spirit, Box 550 Langley, WA 98260 or call 360/321-8404 for Christina's "Calling the Circle" Foundation. There, hopefully this is enough that you can get started. Also, hopefully you will get a response to your message when I send it out as part of my newsletter. That goes to about 500 people around the country, but we've put in whatever email addresses we've gotten from the conference, so the local folks will get it too. Please, if you have any more feedback about the conference, about what worked for you, about why you still felt full weeks later.... it would be wonderful and important for us to know. We know about the logistical glitches, I know that I went on with my thank yous to long....but clearly something spoke to you and so you want to have a circle... yes? Thank you for caring and for reaching out. Your response will help guide us in this growing process. All best, China
Re: Black Madonna Conference Date: 03 Aug 2005 Time: 03:57:54 -0400 Name I am Janie Rezner of Mendocino . . . Message I was very grateful for the Conference--what a blessing to gather together with other wonderful women honoring the Sacred Feminine--and such colorful and beautiful art and music. And, the puppets were simply magnificant! I loved your thoughtful questions, Carol and I think they point directly to Lucia Chiavola Birnbaum's work. I'd like to share a little of it. This comes from an overview of her coming book "The Future has an Ancient Heart" which I just happened to read recently: "World geneticists have confirmed african origins of all humans in the DNA, and DNA is inherited via the mother. My historical research in countries around the Mediterranean substantiates that africans brought with them(on their migration paths) a memory of the earliest venerations we know, that of an african dark mother, a memory expressed in signs, notably the pubic V and the color ochre red. . . ." Lucia continues, "The part of this story I want to tell as a feminist cultural historian refers to the places I had explored earlier but viewed after 2001 through the lens of the documented premise of african origins of all humans and african migrations after 60,000-50,000 BCE to every continent, as well as to explore the hypothesis that everyone on earth carries, in cellular and/or cultural memory . .a remembrance of the african dark mother. . . . . the hypothesis that black madonnas, and other dark women divinities of the world are our most visible evidence of the memory of our ancient african mother. . . that the values that people in subaltern cultures associated with black madonnas are: justice with compassion/nurturance/healing, equality, and transformation. . . .and when dominant cultures suppressed or modified the values of the dark mother, her values persisted in strong peasant women in the middle ages, and are apparent in modern feminism, ecology, and nonviolent movements." This is just a bit from Lucia's overview, but her words resonates very strongly in my own heart. I really appreciate being able to communicate in this manner. My own spiritual journey for the past 25 years has been about "heralding the return of the Great Mother from the depths of soul to awakening consciousness." Many Blessings, Janie Rezner www.janierezner.com
Circle in the East Bay Date: 04 Aug 2005 Time: 03:40:45 -0400 Name Sandy Gess Message Hi. For folk who are interested in a Circle in the East Bay, we started a Black Madonna Meditation Circle before the Conference - as part of the gatherings of Weave of Faith-Christian Feminist Community. We started with China's blessing, after some many of us had been part of a Circle she had organized in the East Bay. Weave of Faith has been meeting for over 12 years in Oakland as an independent woman's worshipping community which, while grounded in the judeo-christian tradition, integrates women's spirituality and provides an environment for women to explore our own theologies, seeking the feminine face of God in all of Her manifestations. Our Black Madonna Meditation Circle meets once a month - alternating between gathering in a space which we rent at a local church in Oakland, and member homes. Right now, our members come from various traditions: Methodist, Quaker, Catholic, United Church of Christ, Baptist - all are women who have made personal pilgrimmages to experience the Black Madonna, bringing much to our gatherings. The Circle has become very important in our personal and spiritual lives and is a source of tremendous support. Email me if you would like to find out more about our Circle or call our Weave of Faith message phone (510) 482-9319. Welcome!
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